Over the last seven and a half years, 425 episodes, and nearly 15 million downloads at The Side Hustle Show, Nick Loper has learned that engagement always flows upward. Step by step, Loper’s steady podcast growth framework turns strangers into fans: “It’s called the Listener Pyramid, and your job as a host is to climb it.”
Every podcast fan was once a stranger to the show, even the one who listens to every episode and pre-orders your merch. As Loper points out, “Podcast fans aren’t born — they’re made.” How are you incentivizing each listener? With specific examples, he demonstrates strategies to reframe both content and communication.
“One thing is certain: If you don’t tell listeners how to subscribe and what’s in it for them, no one will,” Loper explains. This piece of advice applies to both your podcast and your all-important email list. Don’t underestimate a well-placed call to action. “Remember, you never know where your next fan is going to come from.”
Apple is considering “a new subscription service that would charge people to listen to podcasts,” reports Chance Miller of 9to5Mac via The Information. “By charging for individual podcasts, Apple could potentially offer podcast creators a chance to make more money,” drawing them away from rivals like Spotify and Amazon.
It’s unclear how charging for individual podcasts would work, or what would end up behind the paywall. Unless high-profile podcasters agreed to exclusivity deals, e.g., Joe Rogan and Spotify, listeners would ostensibly be paying for original content. However, Apple only began “dipping its toe” into production last spring.
Bloomberg’s Lucas Shaw confirms that talks still include “stepping up funding for new shows and marketing.” Will listeners pay for not-yet-hyped originals? Could Apple realistically promise star podcasters more than they’d otherwise make through ads on every other platform? When (or if) plans materialize, we’ll find out.
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